preferred editor?

[se99jmk]

By the looks of it, Laszlo is all handcoded stuff
first, what program can people recommend for hand-coding (can we use bbedit? plugin for that?)

Or can we use a wysiwyg editor such as dreamweaver?

[marcosc]

Ultraedit is always the best choice.

[jsundman]

I probably don't use it very wisely--I'm not much of a power-user.

I'm the Laszlo "doc guy" and I do a lot of both HTML and LZX-- The Laszlo docs are writtn in HTML with lots of embedded Laszlo apps. BBedit is a great tool for this.

[se99jmk]

Fair enough, handcoding it is. But I'm guessing neither ultraedit of bbedit have support for Laszlo markup. Anyone know of any plugins for this? (or can anyone make one?)

also is ultraedit osx compatible?

[thinman]

It might be heresy, but since Dreamweaver, and other editors are so extensible, we could extend one of them like DW to support the LZX syntax..

Just a thought.

- m

[marcosc]

Right... no word file for Laszlo yet... we'll have to wait for someone with time to do it :)

I don't know if Ultraedit is OSX compatible. Take a look at: www.ultraedit.com

[d~l]

look at some threads older than 30 days (see the drop down choice of dated threads to view)

e.g. http://www.laszlosystems.com/developers/community/forums/showthread.php?threadid=751

but it is not WYSIWYG.

[dybomaha]

We are using Eclispe, because we can manage our J2EE code, our C++, and our Laszlo with one tool.

Eclipse is not perfect, but it's pretty good, and I think it would be possible to write an Eclipse WYSIWYG editor.

Eclipse also works well with CVS, Tomcat, and JBOss, and it runs under Windows and Linux.

DYBOMAHA

[ramdhanyk]

Hi Dybomaha,

I have been trying to develop a WYSIWYG using exlipse SWT, its been really painful and I am not satisfied with it. When I saw LASZO, first thing that came to my mind is, whether a WYSIWYG editor can be developed using this? Is there any project initiated for the same?

Ramdhan Yadav

[ecohen]

I hope someone comes up with something visual soon.
It takes forever for me to lay out a form the way I'd like to see it. Perhaps someone could just write some code that converts an HTML form to lazslo. That would be a good start, because then it could be done in Dreamweaver and converted to be kicked up from there.

[nmadness]

For editing LZX code I find find Eclipse with the XML Buddy plugin to be really, really nice - infact, nicer than XMLSPY. When you link it to the LZX DTD you get code hinting and syntax checking. Plus I find that XML Buddy is very, very intuitive - finishing/matching tags, etc.

You can find some info here:
http://www.laszlosystems.com/developers/learn/articles/Eclipse_LZX_IDE.php

Also, began working on an visual LZX editor the other day. It's aimed at teachers and students and will be created using Laszlo and delivered via a browser - but I'm starting to think that with a little more thought it might serve as an option for general visual design/layout of LZX apps.

I'll post more in the coming weeks as I find time to fully document and prototype the app.

[godot]

I have now downloaded LPS from website... I am new user for this framework, but my preferred code editor, fully cutomizable (tags set, code completition, and much more...) is EDITPLUS (http://www.editplus.com).

Best regards to all.
Godot

[jbardi@com-plet]

I wish people would quit pushing Eclipse like it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Eclipse is big, bulky, bloated and WAY over-kill for LZX coding. The mere idea of installing a few hundred megs of bloatware and tons of plugins just to code in LZX is utterly inconprehensible.

If people would spend more time trying to implement LZX into things like Dreamweaver, which are more used across the board, rather than focusing on Eclipse which is generally used by Java coders, maybe we could get something done. The one downside to Java coders, is they can't seem to get their head out of java and think everyone else cares about it!

That being said, to all newbies to Laszlo, steer clear of Eclipse... you don't know what your getting into and you'll regret it.... bloat, bloat, bloat, and oh, by the way, did I mention BLOAT?

[aaronjudd]

Personally, I haven't used tools like Dreamweaver for a serious project for many, many, years...

I would say that Eclipse is worth pushing if you are doing serious development, or a project of any size... it's not just about the "bloated" text edit...

Our project has, at last count, 3726 files.... and counting...

The project is a mix of PHP, LZX, XML, DOC, Smarty, text, PHPDocumentor, etc... all version controlled with Subversion.

Eclipse can handle it all - in one place, and allows me to make custom perspectives to handle the testing/debugging/building of these elements.

Oh and ... I am on OSX, some of my coworkers are on Linux... a few poor souls are on XP.. since eclipse is cross platform - it pretty much works the same for all of us..


Here's a quickie setup guide on the basic parts of my setup with Eclipse 3.2 (which is quite speedy compared to 3.1):

1. Install latest eclipse from eclipse.org


Note: all these plugins are installed from going to HELP->
2. Install Web Tools Platform (WTP) from the Calisto Discovery Site.


3. Install Laszlo IDE
Download and install as a archived site:

http://www.eclipse.org/laszlo/


4. Install Subclipse
Add http://subclipse.tigris.org/update_1.0.x as an remote site in
Eclipse's update manager (which you can find in the Help menu).

5. Install phpeclipse:
Add remote site: http://phpeclipse.sourceforge.net/update/releases

[mjetpax]

If you are looking for finite syntax highlighting, I believe I did a fairly nice job creating an edit mode for JEdit, which you can retrieve here:

http://www.laszlosystems.com/developers/community/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7612

If you are not familiar with JEdit, it is the open source equivalent of UltraEdit. What's better is that JEdit is free. So, you can save yourself a few bones. You can check JEdit out here:

http://jedit.org

*FYI, as of late, JEdit's site has not been loading up properly unless you leave off the "www" in their URL.